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Go in Peace Sgt. Myers

Mon Apr 6, 2009 11:04 PM EDT
politics, obama, afghanistan, bush, war, peace
By Jim Dent
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Staff Sgt. Phillip A. Myers came home from Afghanistan yesterday. Sadly, there were no family members waving tiny American flags and choking back tears of excitement at the much overdue sight of the man who stood at the center of their universe. No, Sgt Myers came home from war in a box.

It was a coffin to be exact. A flag draped coffin, moved about and handled with all the reverence and solemn ceremony only those who've worn the uniform could provide. Brothers and sisters all... tasked with a duty, a solemn trust that no one should be asked to endure. Yet they did so with pride and honor, knowing full well that, but for the grace of God....

He is a brother, after all.

Dover Air Force Base is a place of great sadness and joy, a paradox if you will. I've stepped onto it's tarmac more times than I care to remember. I have seen grown women and men, overcome with the joy of being home, kneel down and give thanks for the American soil beneath their feet. Home. A home they they sometimes doubted they would ever set foot on again... I've done so myself.

Sgt. Myers didn't have the chance to kneel and smile at the silliness the rest of us engaged in. He gave his all for his country. I hope his widow is comforted in the knowledge that the eight brothers and sisters who welcomed him home treated him with the utmost honor and respect...

He is a brother, after all.

I never met Sgt. Myers. He and I... his war and mine... are separated by a generation. I know of Sgt Myers for one reason only, I saw his flag draped coffin being solemnly brought home on the evening news. Eighteen years ago, President George H. W. Bush decided that we good citizens of America should be shielded from the true cost of war. He alone decided that an American citizen who had paid the ultimate price for their country, would be shielded from the public view.

Why? That's for the good Mr. Bush to answer. George Sr. has been to war. He knows well the cost.
I have my opinions as to why, but I'll keep them to myself if it's all the same to you.

President Clinton never saw fit to change this policy, and neither did Bush the younger... I never really understood the reluctance to show the world the respect we accord our fallen men and women. We spoke of honoring their sacrifice, yet refused to let the American public share in that moment of honor and grief... Why?

He is a brother, after all.

Our new president has saw fit to repeal the idiotic rules that forbade our public displays of grief and honor. To my mind, that's a good start to understanding war... and it's true cost.... the young who will be our future.

Vade in pace Phillip. Go in peace my brother....

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Jim Dent

I haven't written much here lately. To be honest, I'm pretty much fed up with the pettiness here. This one tugged at my heart...

  • 18 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Apr 6, 2009 11:08 PM EDT
Jixer

Well Jim, you did a great job...keep writing! And yes, way too much pettiness. Your article puts it in perspective.

  • 9 votes
#1.1 - Mon Apr 6, 2009 11:50 PM EDT
Jim Dent

Thanks Jixer.

  • 5 votes
#1.2 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 12:03 AM EDT
Jixer

Anytime brother!

  • 6 votes
#1.3 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 12:09 AM EDT
Tom Joad

He is a brother, after all.

I salute you, sir. You express frustration with the divisiveness that seems to be everywhere today, and you write powerfully on a topic that will pull at all but the most jaded.

We are all brothers, after all. Thank you for the reminder.

  • 8 votes
#1.4 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 1:31 PM EDT
SH-2000

Good seed. I thank the family of Sgt. Myers for sharing with us their loss, it puts a cost on war for those who never have seen it. Peace to the Myers family.

  • 8 votes
#1.5 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 2:17 PM EDT
Jim Dent

Thanks guys. I hope the Sgt's widow is well cared for. She deserves no less from us...

  • 6 votes
#1.6 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 7:20 PM EDT
Rene ODeay

Rise above it, Jim, the petty-pushers are trying to push you and others out. Great story.

  • 2 votes
#1.7 - Wed May 13, 2009 2:01 AM EDT
Reply
GeminiGirl

Excellent article. Thank you for sharing this, and Welcome Home.

  • 8 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 12:19 AM EDT
Jim Dent

Thank you for dropping by.

  • 6 votes
#2.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 7:22 PM EDT
Reply
ombra

Thanks for the reminder that while some here are whining about birth certificates and Michele's wardrobe, others are fighting, and dying, for our right to complain.

  • 6 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 12:24 AM EDT
Jim Dent

Kinda puts it all in perspective, don't it... Thanks Ombra.

  • 5 votes
#3.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 7:34 PM EDT
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Sgt C USMC

Jim, that was an amazing article. it almost brought a tear to this Jarhead's eye the way you described it.

I think the only thing more solemn and insipiring more reverance than watching the funeral detail unload the casket at Dover is saluting a rifle upside down behind a pair of boots with a dogtags hanging from it. A sight like that gets seared into your memory, and try as you might, you're never able to forget it. The wash of emotions - hatred, fear, guilt, grief, desperation, hopelessness...they all hit you in an instant, each one fighting for attention.

You realize that was your brother or your sister, and that at any moment of any day, it could be you getting saluted in the same manner. You're terrified, but at the same time you're glad that it's not you. And then you feel guilty for feeling that way.

We should know the cost of war. War is the last resort of diplomacy, and should be used as such. If it doesn't have a consequence (and many people today believe if they don't see it on TV, it's not real) then what else is there to prevent people considering war as the first step in diplomacy, and not the last resort as it should be ?

  • 13 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 12:54 AM EDT
LifeTravler

"I think the only thing more solemn and insipiring more reverance than watching the funeral detail unload the casket at Dover is saluting a rifle upside down behind a pair of boots with a dogtags hanging from it. A sight like that gets seared into your memory, and try as you might, you're never able to forget it. "

I was privileged enough to have seen this on a video. It tore me up.

Thank you so much for your service, Sgt.

  • 8 votes
#4.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 7:34 AM EDT
Jim Dent

Excellent points Sgt. C. I appreciate you stopping by. And you're welcome here anytime...

Thanks for dropping by LifeTraveler, I apreciate it.

  • 5 votes
#4.2 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 7:39 PM EDT
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Navigator

Thank you Jim.

  • 4 votes
Reply#5 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 1:19 AM EDT
Jim Dent

Thank you Nav!

  • 4 votes
#5.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 7:40 PM EDT
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winsomecowboy

Always worth writing about honor Jim. Your natural cadence in writing when your heart's in it is impressively technically deft.

I can see why you were sought out to write others letters for them.

Thanks for the reminder of how serious it is the games we play.

  • 11 votes
Reply#6 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 1:36 AM EDT
Jim Dent

Always a pleasure when you grace my column Winsome. Thanks.

  • 6 votes
#6.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 7:42 PM EDT
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bigbugy

Jim,

Thank you.

As prior military I like yourself never understood why the government saw fit to hide the reality of war and worse to dishonor our brothers in arm by quietly dropping them off in Dover for their final trip home.Almost like hiding them.

I like you have been at Dovers AFB many times and as familiar as I am with the cost of doing our duty I still could not help but cry each time I saw another coffin being unloaded.

Now I have two nephews that carry the torch of freedom in Afganistan and hope I never have to see them or any others unloaded from one of those planes.

I know reality dictates otherwise but one can never lose hope.

  • 10 votes
Reply#7 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 3:21 AM EDT
Jim Dent

but one can never lose hope.

Abso@!$%#inglutely! Thanks for stopping by Bugy.

  • 6 votes
#7.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 7:44 PM EDT
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Ms CYPRAH

A very moving tribute, Jim. It seems cowardly to send people to war but hide their homecoming when they have died. Yet, that's the time they nee to be acknowledged even more.

Thanks, Brother! :o)

  • 10 votes
Reply#8 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 6:43 AM EDT
Jim Dent

Thank you Miz C! It does seem odd, doesn't it...

  • 7 votes
#8.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 7:46 PM EDT
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rottlady

What a beautiful tribute Jim. Thanks for writing such a wonderful article. I'm so glad they have finally decided to bring to light such a heartfelt ceremony honoring our deceased soldiers. It's about time.

  • 9 votes
Reply#9 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 7:17 AM EDT
Jim Dent

Always a pleasure to have a fellow dog lover grace my column. Especially when she lives "just down the road." You ready for the spring storms?

  • 5 votes
#9.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 7:51 PM EDT
rottlady

We gotta get rid of the friggin snow and freezing weather first! But yeah I'm ready, got my flashlight and weather radio charged.

*smiles*

  • 5 votes
#9.2 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 9:53 PM EDT
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LifeTravler

Ji, thank you for this, and thank you so much for your service to our country. I deeply appreciate it!

  • 7 votes
Reply#10 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 7:35 AM EDT
Jim Dent

You're most welcome. I appreciate you stopping by and reading my article.

  • 5 votes
#10.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 8:04 PM EDT
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oldfogey

Brothers raised from the soil and returned. We need no longer retire in secret. Thank you, Jim Dent. Many of us needed this change and you are so right to applaud it. God Damn those who would lurk in darkness.

  • 9 votes
Reply#11 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 8:17 AM EDT
Jim Dent

Thanks Jerry. After your experience in Vietnam and a lifetime spent in uniform, I figured you'd feel that way. Good to see you around my friend.

  • 6 votes
#11.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 7:54 PM EDT
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Sgt C USMC

Clipping this to the Warriors' Way...

  • 5 votes
Reply#12 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 9:42 AM EDT
Jim Dent

Cool!

  • 4 votes
#12.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 7:54 PM EDT
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TopJedi

As usual, beautifully written Jim and I am drawn to share this movie with others who appreciate the sacrifice of our men and women who have bravely stepped forward on our behalf.

http://www.hbo.com/films/takingchance/ It is an excellent movie void of the politics and full of genuine tribute for our veterans.

  • 6 votes
Reply#13 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:25 AM EDT
oldfogey

TopJedi, thanks for providing this link. You are right. I have watched this movie twice and it makes one realize the need to grieve in more ways than the usual family grieving. The film depicts the honorable grief of a nation and all the individuals associated with the return of our heroes.

  • 7 votes
#13.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:36 AM EDT
TopJedi

Glad you found the movie as powerful and well done as I did, hard to hold back tears for so many fine Americans who land in Dover as Jim Dent so eloquently put into words.

  • 5 votes
#13.2 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 12:07 PM EDT
Jim Dent

Top, always a pleasure to see you. Thanks for the link... powerful stuff.

  • 5 votes
#13.3 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 7:56 PM EDT
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Tom Joad

C/P'ing a poem that has been a favorite since the first time I ever read it. It is an inspiration to me when times are tough, and many lessons can be learned from it.

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you
But make allowance for their doubting too,
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise: If you can dream--and not make dreams your master,
If you can think--and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it all on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!"

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings--nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much,
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And--which is more--you'll be a Man, my son!

--Rudyard Kipling

For all those who have gone before us, in particular:

Lt. Colonel Dewitt Ted Rogers 1917-1997

Staff Seargent Ollie Rogers, who died at Omaha beach

Grandaddy, I miss you.

  • 8 votes
Reply#14 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 1:38 PM EDT
Jim Dent

Kipling is one of my favorites Tom. Here's another one...

I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o'beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:

O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
But it's ``Thank you, Mister Atkins,'' when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's ``Thank you, Mr. Atkins,'' when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!

For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";
But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.

Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.

Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy how's yer soul?"
But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.

We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints:
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;

While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind,"
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind.

You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.

For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country," when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
But Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees!

Rudyard Kipling

  • 6 votes
#14.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 7:59 PM EDT
Jim Dent

On a lighter note Tom, we modified Kipling slightly....

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, then you've obviously misjudged the situation.... ;-)

  • 5 votes
#14.2 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 8:08 PM EDT
Tom Joad

The Tommy poem was great. Not seen that one yet. Thanks.

  • 4 votes
#14.3 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:04 PM EDT
Reply
Pacific Northwest Blogger

Thanks Jim

  • 5 votes
Reply#15 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 2:52 PM EDT
Jim Dent

Thank you, PNB!

  • 4 votes
#15.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 8:00 PM EDT
Reply
hippiechick68

Our new president has saw fit to repeal the idiotic rules that forbade our public displays of grief and honor. To my mind, that's a good start to understanding war... and it's true cost.... the young who will be our future

Exactly. To show the coffins is to honor the sacrifice. And, we must see the sacrifice to understand the true price of war.

Great article, Jim. Clipped to Veterans and Friends.

  • 6 votes
Reply#16 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:13 PM EDT
Jim Dent

Thanks Hippie.

  • 5 votes
#16.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:20 PM EDT
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Pamela Drew

I'm glad to see you here and can't think of a better place to use your voice, thank you.

  • 5 votes
Reply#17 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 12:27 PM EDT
Jim Dent

Thank you Pamela.

  • 3 votes
#17.1 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 5:58 PM EDT
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Dr Know

Great piece Jim. The elder Bush did not want the toll of war on the Evening News. He knew that Afghanistan is the new "Vietnam". Few are aware of how the returnees were treated upon their return.

I "have" 9 names on "The Wall". Every time I have been to The Wall I can hardly keep it together.

Once you have been to a funeral at one of the National Cemetaries you will have the concept of what one of those sacred containers really represent.

Thanks for reminding everyone.

  • 5 votes
Reply#18 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 12:19 AM EDT
Jim Dent

Thanks Doc.

  • 2 votes
#18.1 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 5:59 PM EDT
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BC1007

These are the building blocks on which our liberty and freedom is founded. Many of the youth of our nation have come home like this but without the recognition they deserve. They have given the full measure of a patriot so that we can enjoy that liberty that freedom. Their reception should be no less than that of a visiting head of state, In full view of the public so they will remember and remember and remember these fallen comrades who's ranks have swollen without the proper recognition or appreciation being given.

  • 2 votes
Reply#19 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 3:02 PM EDT
Jim Dent

Thanks for reading my article, BC. Apreciate it.

  • 3 votes
#19.1 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 6:00 PM EDT
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ann in Texas

Jim, this is a beautiful piece and I'm so glad to see you posting again. We can never do enough to honor our fallen. Clipped to my column.

  • 3 votes
Reply#20 - Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:09 PM EDT
Jim Dent

Thanks Ann!

  • 2 votes
#20.1 - Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:03 PM EDT
Reply
Celestina

Just popping in after a couple weeks hiatus, and got all excited when I saw that you had written something. And then you made me cry, dammit. *smile*
Beautifully written, Jim. Thanks.

  • 1 vote
Reply#21 - Sun Apr 26, 2009 2:38 PM EDT
Jim Dent

Thanks kiddo!

    #21.1 - Sun Apr 26, 2009 4:26 PM EDT
    Reply
    Cash

    Nicely written, though there were no daily newspaper photos of casualties in WW2 either - we didn't see photos of 50,000 casualties at the Battle of the Bulge, for example. Viet Nam was the worst example of journalism wanting to be part of the story so that was the anomaly in reporting, not Bush 41 and Kuwait. He understood war as well as anyone but he also understood that political opponents (and cultural zealots) would try to make their deaths a political football - which is what Obama just did.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#22 - Sun Apr 26, 2009 3:10 PM EDT
    Jim Dent

    ...there were no daily newspaper photos of casualties in WW2 either

    Cash, the reason we didn't see the flag draped coffins in WWII was because they were never brought home, at least not in large numbers. Europe is littered with American cemeteries from WWII.

    ...he also understood that political opponents (and cultural zealots) would try to make their deaths a political football - which is what Obama just did.

    Agreed. Where we diverge is that I see that as a good thing. Let the American public decide whether or not they have the stomach for war. Sanitized war is still war... kids still die, whether we see it or not. And politicians will always play politics. If it's a just and necessary war, the American public will find the will to support it, regardless of the images on the evening news. If it's not just and necessary, the American public will find a way to force it's end. Democracy in action.

    The only thing hiding the coffins did was stack the deck in favor of war... you know, out of sight, out of mind. Now we can let the chips fall where they may. Obama may have made a political football, but Bush's decision to hide them was also all about politics, as you correctly pointed out.

    And despite the politics, what I saw on the news almost brought me to tears... for the respect this kid was shown... the tradition and honor....

    Screw the politicians, we all need to see reality, not their sanitized version of it.

    I appreciate you reading my article Cash!

    • 4 votes
    #22.1 - Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:01 PM EDT
    oldfogey

    Jim, the very best reply you could have made. Thanks.

    Cash, reality and truth will trump politeness and sensitivity every time. I, too, deplore seeing rows of caskets. If I didn't see them I might not know what to deplore.

    • 2 votes
    #22.2 - Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:28 AM EDT
    Reply
    Scott_Phree

    Jim Dent,

    Thanks for posting.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#23 - Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:51 AM EDT
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